Question:
eq/var
hey guys, i just posted but everyone wants me on tes. no can do for me. coming off a knee surgery so i have to be very carefull to my tendons and joints. no major bulking. goals include increase endurance, strength, vascularity. just trying to lean out also. im 6'4 , 217lbs around 9%bf. i want a mild cycle but nothing that will shut me down at all, i shutdown easy and hard, so im trying to avoid it. especially for my me knee's sake.
eq/var/clen cycle is what im leaning towards? what do you guys think.
var at 50mg /ed.
eq 300-400mg/every week
clen-40-120mcg
i would love input from people who have ran this same cycle. no tes for me! sorry, i know it should be but i have a special circumstance,t hanks bro's
Seems illogical to me. If you cant use testosterone with a cycle you need to wait until an opportunity in which you can. People arent just saying this because they are trying to prevent you from achieving your goals, theres actual science behind it. Equipoise is suppressive of endogynous hormones (primarily testosterone) and couple this with the fact that you need to take EQ for at least 14 weeks to see optimal results, you are going to have horrible, and possibly permanently damaging, sexual dysfunction. At most just run the anavar, but even that is not worth the money. I dont think your joints would have trouble if you ran a low dose (200-300mg/wk) of testosterone with the EQ, which works wonders on joint problems.
500mg/week test. that's all you need man. forget all them others. there's nothing from those that you can get with test and still have the ability to have an erection, which i don't know about you, is very important to me! at that does the bloat isn't going to be bad, and you can take some nolva if you are worried about it.
before u ask why... here is your answer...!
your just using the test as a base to keep your body stable, not as a bulking agent. Yes you will see increases during lifting, but diet has a lot to do with it as well...
With EQ, think of it as an injectable Dbol, sounds weird, just stay with me... Compound and structure wise, it has similarities in breakdown, its considered weak on its own. Although you can run it in stand alone like a Nandrolone, it is still not a good idea, even a Nandrolone needs a base like Proviron to be run solo, and this is a cycle used for rare cases, not for general consideration. With EQ, adding proviron wont do much for you, so your left with Test as your base. It can be argued that EQ is a derivitave of Test, much like Deca, however, EQ is still more androgenic than Deca, hence the reason so many replace Deca with EQ in a cycle and get better results. The results, although slow and steady like Deca, are still different in final effect, so it is still hard to even try to compare the two, but for the sake of your question, its the easiest comparison to make. An odd fact when looking at the two, Deca = water retention, EQ does not, but that still does not reduce chances for aromatization, in fact, with EQ, its the opposite. EQ's chance of aromatization is 50% of Test, whereas Deca is 20%. One more reason why you cant run it solo like Deca, and remember, when I say Deca can be run solo, it is only in one rare specific instance - THATS IT!!
So if your gonna take a 50% chance at aromatization, you might as well take the proper precautions, create a more "perfect cycle" and add the Test con Nolva or Adex. Like Deca, EQ is also known as a slow steady builder, so that means your going to be on this stuff for 10-12 weeks, NOW THINK ABOUT IT, that is a long time to be shut down, or for arguments sake, a long time to have a 50% chance of shut down - see where I am going with this... this is why you hear so often with many cycles that Test is a "natural" base, to replace what your body is essentially NOT going to be producing for you.
Now that all that has been said... let me re-visit your previous statement...
... no tes for me! sorry, i know it should be but i have a special circumstance ... If you have such a special circumstance that you cant allow Test in your body, then honestly mate, you need to look away from all Steroids in general. They are only for an eligible few, those who earned the right to get on them by proving themselves in the gym for long periods of time... and use steroids to further themselves past natural potential. In all honesty, you may not be a candidate for using. A good year with Creatine and Protein shakes may be all you need to get where you want to be.
Man, even Takuth is recommending you stay away from EQ only cycle, and he is like the posterboy of test-lacking cycles!
j/p
thanks for the info!!
ive run cycles before...so im not a new b by any means..im also a dietetics/exercise science major. so im on point with diet/training. i think for my goals another clen/var cycle seems better off for me. i just ran it during an intense strengthening period for my leg that had surgery, and it really help get most of my legs strength back. now the therapy is focused on cutting and cardio endurance/speed. clen/var may be a good choice for me
i also looked at primo and a friend recomended tren...but i think i may stick with another var/clen cycle. 50mg/ed and clen 40-120mcg 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. var for 6 weeks. tes can be run when im totally ready for it
Man, even Takuth is recommending you stay away from EQ only cycle, and he is like the posterboy of test-lacking cycles!
j/p No I am not :rolleyes:
I just happen to have knowledge of only one specific combination that does not include it. Having knowledge of such a cycle does not make me a posterboy for it. :rolleyes: LOL...! I happen to know of a few members on this board who have used it with fair results. That being said, I never recommend it to the masses, and maybe I should not mention that I have knowledge of such a cycle anymore, since someone might get the wrong idea and think its safe for them to use.
In fact, even though I know your joking hybriD06, I think I just decided not to talk about that particular cycle anymore. I think it gives the wrong message, people may miss the part of it being a cycle for a limited type of user, I also feel that its an advanced cycle - so a user would have to be fully aware of all effects before running a cycle like that... and lets face it, an advanced user prolly does not want "limited" gains, the majority are looking for dramatic gains, so there is no point in even discussing that cycle anymore...
So hybriD06.... Thanks mate, although it was a joke from you, it still made me make a decision on what should and not be discussed with the majority of users here.
You gotta stand up for what you think works, which in this case, it does. I read your posts and the science backs up your experience, users that dont choose to follow dont have to, but it doesnt mean you should spread the knowledge.
I know you know I was joking but still, sorry for stirring it up.
hey guys, i just posted but everyone wants me on tes. no can do for me. coming off a knee surgery so i have to be very carefull to my tendons and joints. no major bulking. goals include increase endurance, strength, vascularity. just trying to lean out also. im 6'4 , 217lbs around 9%bf. i want a mild cycle but nothing that will shut me down at all, i shutdown easy and hard, so im trying to avoid it. especially for my me knee's sake.
eq/var/clen cycle is what im leaning towards? what do you guys think.
var at 50mg /ed.
eq 300-400mg/every week
clen-40-120mcg
i would love input from people who have ran this same cycle. no tes for me! sorry, i know it should be but i have a special circumstance,t hanks bro's
Answer:
Seems illogical to me. If you cant use testosterone with a cycle you need to wait until an opportunity in which you can. People arent just saying this because they are trying to prevent you from achieving your goals, theres actual science behind it. Equipoise is suppressive of endogynous hormones (primarily testosterone) and couple this with the fact that you need to take EQ for at least 14 weeks to see optimal results, you are going to have horrible, and possibly permanently damaging, sexual dysfunction. At most just run the anavar, but even that is not worth the money. I dont think your joints would have trouble if you ran a low dose (200-300mg/wk) of testosterone with the EQ, which works wonders on joint problems.
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500mg/week test. that's all you need man. forget all them others. there's nothing from those that you can get with test and still have the ability to have an erection, which i don't know about you, is very important to me! at that does the bloat isn't going to be bad, and you can take some nolva if you are worried about it.
Answer:
before u ask why... here is your answer...!
your just using the test as a base to keep your body stable, not as a bulking agent. Yes you will see increases during lifting, but diet has a lot to do with it as well...
With EQ, think of it as an injectable Dbol, sounds weird, just stay with me... Compound and structure wise, it has similarities in breakdown, its considered weak on its own. Although you can run it in stand alone like a Nandrolone, it is still not a good idea, even a Nandrolone needs a base like Proviron to be run solo, and this is a cycle used for rare cases, not for general consideration. With EQ, adding proviron wont do much for you, so your left with Test as your base. It can be argued that EQ is a derivitave of Test, much like Deca, however, EQ is still more androgenic than Deca, hence the reason so many replace Deca with EQ in a cycle and get better results. The results, although slow and steady like Deca, are still different in final effect, so it is still hard to even try to compare the two, but for the sake of your question, its the easiest comparison to make. An odd fact when looking at the two, Deca = water retention, EQ does not, but that still does not reduce chances for aromatization, in fact, with EQ, its the opposite. EQ's chance of aromatization is 50% of Test, whereas Deca is 20%. One more reason why you cant run it solo like Deca, and remember, when I say Deca can be run solo, it is only in one rare specific instance - THATS IT!!
So if your gonna take a 50% chance at aromatization, you might as well take the proper precautions, create a more "perfect cycle" and add the Test con Nolva or Adex. Like Deca, EQ is also known as a slow steady builder, so that means your going to be on this stuff for 10-12 weeks, NOW THINK ABOUT IT, that is a long time to be shut down, or for arguments sake, a long time to have a 50% chance of shut down - see where I am going with this... this is why you hear so often with many cycles that Test is a "natural" base, to replace what your body is essentially NOT going to be producing for you.
Now that all that has been said... let me re-visit your previous statement...
... no tes for me! sorry, i know it should be but i have a special circumstance ... If you have such a special circumstance that you cant allow Test in your body, then honestly mate, you need to look away from all Steroids in general. They are only for an eligible few, those who earned the right to get on them by proving themselves in the gym for long periods of time... and use steroids to further themselves past natural potential. In all honesty, you may not be a candidate for using. A good year with Creatine and Protein shakes may be all you need to get where you want to be.
Answer:
Man, even Takuth is recommending you stay away from EQ only cycle, and he is like the posterboy of test-lacking cycles!
j/p
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thanks for the info!!
ive run cycles before...so im not a new b by any means..im also a dietetics/exercise science major. so im on point with diet/training. i think for my goals another clen/var cycle seems better off for me. i just ran it during an intense strengthening period for my leg that had surgery, and it really help get most of my legs strength back. now the therapy is focused on cutting and cardio endurance/speed. clen/var may be a good choice for me
i also looked at primo and a friend recomended tren...but i think i may stick with another var/clen cycle. 50mg/ed and clen 40-120mcg 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. var for 6 weeks. tes can be run when im totally ready for it
Answer:
Man, even Takuth is recommending you stay away from EQ only cycle, and he is like the posterboy of test-lacking cycles!
j/p No I am not :rolleyes:
I just happen to have knowledge of only one specific combination that does not include it. Having knowledge of such a cycle does not make me a posterboy for it. :rolleyes: LOL...! I happen to know of a few members on this board who have used it with fair results. That being said, I never recommend it to the masses, and maybe I should not mention that I have knowledge of such a cycle anymore, since someone might get the wrong idea and think its safe for them to use.
In fact, even though I know your joking hybriD06, I think I just decided not to talk about that particular cycle anymore. I think it gives the wrong message, people may miss the part of it being a cycle for a limited type of user, I also feel that its an advanced cycle - so a user would have to be fully aware of all effects before running a cycle like that... and lets face it, an advanced user prolly does not want "limited" gains, the majority are looking for dramatic gains, so there is no point in even discussing that cycle anymore...
So hybriD06.... Thanks mate, although it was a joke from you, it still made me make a decision on what should and not be discussed with the majority of users here.
Answer:
You gotta stand up for what you think works, which in this case, it does. I read your posts and the science backs up your experience, users that dont choose to follow dont have to, but it doesnt mean you should spread the knowledge.
I know you know I was joking but still, sorry for stirring it up.