Question:
Is it imortant to take BCAAs...
when cutting?
it better be...or im wasting alot of effin money. ;)
For a cut? Not really. BCAA's are really important if you aren't getting enough protein in your daily meals.
However, it doesn't hurt to take them. Just not worth their price tag, in my opinion.
I don't cut without BCAA's nowadays....
BCAA's are a "SUPPLEMENT". Supplementation is something that we do when our diet is insufficient in some regard. So I would ask you if it's necessary because only you would know for sure.
If you're eating 7 meals per day containing a variety of lean proteins along with some Whey in either your pre/during/post workout shake(s), my guess is that BCAA's are only supplementing your nutrition stores bank account.
If you are only a severely restrictive diet, perhaps they add some value; however, you still need the raw material - food - or the BCAA's are useless.
BCAA's are a "SUPPLEMENT". Supplementation is something that we do when our diet is insufficient in some regard. So I would ask you if it's necessary because only you would know for sure.
If you're eating 7 meals per day containing a variety of lean proteins along with some Whey in either your pre/during/post workout shake(s), my guess is that BCAA's are only supplementing your nutrition stores bank account.
If you are only a severely restrictive diet, perhaps they add some value; however, you still need the raw material - food - or the BCAA's are useless. .....or....Supplements are used when your diet is perfect already and you need extra help to put you over the top
well, I do agree that BCAA's are less useful unless you are cutting. I use them durring my workout with a scoop of whey almost no matter what.
To say they are almost useless is just ignorant. regardless of how perfect nutrition is, during a cut, your body IS malnutritioned. Durring a hard workout your body WILL become somewhat catabolic. BCAA's during a workout will help replenish BCAA breakdown during a hard workout.
Obviously it is not needed, and is pretty expensive. But if money is not an object. Why would you not have BCAA's and keep your workouts and gains optimized?
i dunno about others but i find it pretty difficult to judge if a supp is being effective or not, until i stop taking the supp..
i take bcaa especially when i cut and ive always pretty much progress with my cuts so i guess its safe to assume the bcaa has def been helping out.. i take xtend btw, plus if u do some reading on how it works they do definitely make sense.
Vipergq.
What good they are without the raw food materials to back them up.
Could you just take amino acids in place of food and expect to grow or even preserve muscle? I hope you answered, "no"!
So does it not follow that if you are getting the food -unless you are eating incomplete proteins - you have little need for Amino Acid supplementation?
For someone, like me, eating 7-8 meals per day that include meat, eggs, whey protein, fish, nuts, etc. etc., what exactly are they doing for me?
Ex:
Are they somehow further completing my complete proteins?
Are they making up for the catabolic effects of a calorie deficit somehow? If so, how?
How exactly are they "optimizing" your workouts and gains, if you're eating right?
If you have the answers, I would love to hear them because so far I can't get answers to these questions from anyone selling this stuff! I've heard people spout out a bunch of scientific jargon to shut me up but nobody can explain it to me with clarity analogous to why I may need a whey protein supplement or creatine.
Still Ignorant about Amino's.....
Steve
I take BCAAs whenever I cut. I have a pretty physical job, so I'm afraid of becoming catabolic between meals, so in the morning I throw 5-7gs in a bottle of water and sip on that throughout the day. Then I have another 5g with my workout.
well, BCAA's are definately not the holy grail of supps by any means, but during a calorie deficit, they keep your body's aminos in check while hard workouts depleted BCAA's.
What good are they without the raw foods to back them up? None. They are a supplement, and should be used AFTER your diet is in check.
f you are at maintainence or above, they will play a smaller role of course. But even then, they are beneficial during your workout. They are much more biologically availble to your body than a food substance. While at the gym your body will slowly progress to a catabolic state, even if you had a good meal 1 hour before hand.
As your body depletes its aminos, replacing it will help to slow down catabolism. Eating food is not really an option mid workout because of the energy it take to digest the food. Highly biologically available aminos is ideal for this time.
When you are at a calorie deficit, or a really really intense workouts, the above is even more true. If your workouts are less than an hour or so, then I would not even consider it at all.
Me personally, I prefer to have a normal meal about 3-3.5 hours before my workout and have a small snack (IE Granola bar, or rice cakes) an hour before my workout. Therfore, an hour into my workout, I am pretty low on fuel and my body has broken down alot of Aminos.
My workout drink is 15g of BCAA's and 15g of Whey Protein, mixed in 1/2 gallon of water.
You definitely have good logic.
But, if I look at my protein poweder - IDS Multi-Pro Whey - all the BCAA's are present. In Whey, these are all in a very bioavilable form. I think Whey Isolate is something like 110%. So, how would it be better to add BCAA's to the mix? Even if the BCAA's are more bioavailable, how much more bioavailble than whey do you really need to get before you encounter a case of diminishing returns? EX: the nail has been set already but your still swinging the hammer at an extra $50- month????
I still think that if your diet is good and you practice good pre/during/post workout nutrition, BCAA supplementation is unecessary. But, you do make good points and if money is no object you have me convinced that it can only help; not hurt.
i am on a cut and i love my BCAA's...
i do HIIT in the mornings on cardio days with nothing but 1 ON BCAA pill and a a 40gram whey shake..
i definitely feel it has helped fight against any catabolistic effects on my body from my cardio routine
they are great for low carb diets as they help prevent protein being oxidised and therefore you get more fat oxidation. if you are not depleting glycogen stores then I believe their use is a little more limited as carbs will have a protein sparing effect without the need for BCAAs.
when cutting?
Answer:
it better be...or im wasting alot of effin money. ;)
Answer:
For a cut? Not really. BCAA's are really important if you aren't getting enough protein in your daily meals.
However, it doesn't hurt to take them. Just not worth their price tag, in my opinion.
Answer:
I don't cut without BCAA's nowadays....
Answer:
BCAA's are a "SUPPLEMENT". Supplementation is something that we do when our diet is insufficient in some regard. So I would ask you if it's necessary because only you would know for sure.
If you're eating 7 meals per day containing a variety of lean proteins along with some Whey in either your pre/during/post workout shake(s), my guess is that BCAA's are only supplementing your nutrition stores bank account.
If you are only a severely restrictive diet, perhaps they add some value; however, you still need the raw material - food - or the BCAA's are useless.
Answer:
BCAA's are a "SUPPLEMENT". Supplementation is something that we do when our diet is insufficient in some regard. So I would ask you if it's necessary because only you would know for sure.
If you're eating 7 meals per day containing a variety of lean proteins along with some Whey in either your pre/during/post workout shake(s), my guess is that BCAA's are only supplementing your nutrition stores bank account.
If you are only a severely restrictive diet, perhaps they add some value; however, you still need the raw material - food - or the BCAA's are useless. .....or....Supplements are used when your diet is perfect already and you need extra help to put you over the top
well, I do agree that BCAA's are less useful unless you are cutting. I use them durring my workout with a scoop of whey almost no matter what.
To say they are almost useless is just ignorant. regardless of how perfect nutrition is, during a cut, your body IS malnutritioned. Durring a hard workout your body WILL become somewhat catabolic. BCAA's during a workout will help replenish BCAA breakdown during a hard workout.
Obviously it is not needed, and is pretty expensive. But if money is not an object. Why would you not have BCAA's and keep your workouts and gains optimized?
Answer:
i dunno about others but i find it pretty difficult to judge if a supp is being effective or not, until i stop taking the supp..
i take bcaa especially when i cut and ive always pretty much progress with my cuts so i guess its safe to assume the bcaa has def been helping out.. i take xtend btw, plus if u do some reading on how it works they do definitely make sense.
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Vipergq.
What good they are without the raw food materials to back them up.
Could you just take amino acids in place of food and expect to grow or even preserve muscle? I hope you answered, "no"!
So does it not follow that if you are getting the food -unless you are eating incomplete proteins - you have little need for Amino Acid supplementation?
For someone, like me, eating 7-8 meals per day that include meat, eggs, whey protein, fish, nuts, etc. etc., what exactly are they doing for me?
Ex:
Are they somehow further completing my complete proteins?
Are they making up for the catabolic effects of a calorie deficit somehow? If so, how?
How exactly are they "optimizing" your workouts and gains, if you're eating right?
If you have the answers, I would love to hear them because so far I can't get answers to these questions from anyone selling this stuff! I've heard people spout out a bunch of scientific jargon to shut me up but nobody can explain it to me with clarity analogous to why I may need a whey protein supplement or creatine.
Still Ignorant about Amino's.....
Steve
Answer:
I take BCAAs whenever I cut. I have a pretty physical job, so I'm afraid of becoming catabolic between meals, so in the morning I throw 5-7gs in a bottle of water and sip on that throughout the day. Then I have another 5g with my workout.
Answer:
well, BCAA's are definately not the holy grail of supps by any means, but during a calorie deficit, they keep your body's aminos in check while hard workouts depleted BCAA's.
What good are they without the raw foods to back them up? None. They are a supplement, and should be used AFTER your diet is in check.
f you are at maintainence or above, they will play a smaller role of course. But even then, they are beneficial during your workout. They are much more biologically availble to your body than a food substance. While at the gym your body will slowly progress to a catabolic state, even if you had a good meal 1 hour before hand.
As your body depletes its aminos, replacing it will help to slow down catabolism. Eating food is not really an option mid workout because of the energy it take to digest the food. Highly biologically available aminos is ideal for this time.
When you are at a calorie deficit, or a really really intense workouts, the above is even more true. If your workouts are less than an hour or so, then I would not even consider it at all.
Me personally, I prefer to have a normal meal about 3-3.5 hours before my workout and have a small snack (IE Granola bar, or rice cakes) an hour before my workout. Therfore, an hour into my workout, I am pretty low on fuel and my body has broken down alot of Aminos.
My workout drink is 15g of BCAA's and 15g of Whey Protein, mixed in 1/2 gallon of water.
Answer:
You definitely have good logic.
But, if I look at my protein poweder - IDS Multi-Pro Whey - all the BCAA's are present. In Whey, these are all in a very bioavilable form. I think Whey Isolate is something like 110%. So, how would it be better to add BCAA's to the mix? Even if the BCAA's are more bioavailable, how much more bioavailble than whey do you really need to get before you encounter a case of diminishing returns? EX: the nail has been set already but your still swinging the hammer at an extra $50- month????
I still think that if your diet is good and you practice good pre/during/post workout nutrition, BCAA supplementation is unecessary. But, you do make good points and if money is no object you have me convinced that it can only help; not hurt.
Answer:
i am on a cut and i love my BCAA's...
i do HIIT in the mornings on cardio days with nothing but 1 ON BCAA pill and a a 40gram whey shake..
i definitely feel it has helped fight against any catabolistic effects on my body from my cardio routine
Answer:
they are great for low carb diets as they help prevent protein being oxidised and therefore you get more fat oxidation. if you are not depleting glycogen stores then I believe their use is a little more limited as carbs will have a protein sparing effect without the need for BCAAs.