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Chuck Liddell Calls Tito Scared and a P*ssy for not boxing Dana..
The Iceman fires back at Tito
by Mike Chiappetta
Source: NBCSports.com
Want to know what makes Chuck "The Iceman" Liddell's blood boil? Tito Ortiz. Just a few hours after the "Huntington Beach Bad Boy" sounded off on a proposed boxing match with UFC President Dana White that never happened, Liddell contacted NBCSports.com with his take on Ortiz's refusal to fight.
Even though the two have squared off in the octagon twice (with Liddell winning by KO both times), the UFC light-heavyweight champion couldn't resist going for a third and final knockout, this time in print.
Despite being in the midst of hard training for his UFC 71 main event title defense against Quinton "Rampage" Jackson on May 26, Liddell spoke about the most discussed boxing match that never happened, if he'd ever fight Ortiz again, and oh yeah, his match with Rampage.
Q: Chuck, you're obviously in an important part of your training camp and have other things to focus on. What makes you want to get involved in this situation?
A: Tito's whole take on this is killing me. It's hilarious. When he first pulled out, he said, 'I don't want to risk getting hurt, and that Dana was almost a pro boxer.' It sounds to me like he didn't want to look like a p----.
I thought the whole thing was silly to begin with. But my problem with what he said now is, why would he make those comments he made at first? It sounded like he was afraid to fight him. But he's been changing [what he said] ever since.
Listen, boxing is a different sport, and it's a sport he's definitely not real good at. That's not his thing. His thing is wrestling, ground-and-pound. He's not a boxer and he doesn't like getting hit. He's not real good at it.
Q: So you think he was basically scared to get in the ring with Dana?
A: It sounds like it. He was the one who put the fight in his contract. It was a perk in his deal. He says he didn't have a bout agreement? Why would you have a bout agreement? It's a perk. You're the one who asked for it! Where's mine? Let's spar three rounds. No one would give me a bout agreement. No way he'd go three rounds with me.
It's one of those things he added in to his deal. It's like he's always done with contracts. He's always gone back and changed them. He ends up wanting to make more money. Well, why did you originally ask for it? You were willing to do it. You wanted to do it, right? You signed the contract, didn't you? He asked for it. Dana didn't ask to fight him.
Q: To play devil's advocate, his contention is that it went from a boxing match with a ref to an entire TV production where people were making money, but he didn't have a say in where the money was going.
A: That's a point he could've made instead of just not showing up. He could've said it way before they started filming. He waited until they'd already done a bunch of interviews and tapings. They'd even done interviews with me about, and I said then I thought it was silly they were fighting in the first place. Then, after that, he decides he's not going to do it. It's his normal business model. He decides, 'I want more money now.' And I'm sure he was getting something. If it had gone that far, he was getting something. I think he wasn't getting enough. He wanted to change the deal. I don't know that for fact; I'm not privy to contract stuff with them, but the comments that he first made were probably more truthful than what he's saying now. And those comments were that he was worried about getting hurt, and mentioning that Dana was almost a pro boxer. It sounds to me like he was a p----.
Q: In some ways though, it doesn't make sense that he'd suddenly be afraid, because he obviously knew about Dana's boxing background as they've known each other for years.
A: He knew what he was getting into. He trained and sparred with Dana before back in the day. But there came a point where he might have realized, people are going to see us, and I might look bad. Maybe he remembered he's not great a boxer. A boxing match is a totally different thing than an MMA match.
Q: Dana's given his side of the story too, so what was it about what Tito said that angered you so much that you wanted to voice your opinion?
A: Not that I get angry, but the guy is frustrating. He'll run his mouth, he'll change what he says. He always runs his mouth off. He likes to say that I'm Dana's boy and that I'll do anything Dana wants. If you mean I fight anyone he asks me to fight? Yeah; I don't turn down opponents. That's true. I'll fight anyone, unlike yourself. He frustrates me. He doesn't make sense to me. It's obvious that since the beginning of this and his first explanation, he's talked to people about how to spin this in interviews.
Q: What do you think would have happened in the boxing match if it had occurred?
A: Like I said, I think the whole thing was silly. I think if Tito got clipped real hard, he would've covered up for the whole rest of the fight. He doesn't hit hard enough to hurt Dana. He might've gotten outboxed. He probably would have.
the whole article is here
http://mmapower.com/news.asp?dismode=article&artid=83
nice, i agree with chuck 100%
While I was mad that Tito didn't show I can understand why. Just like what was said on the show if Dana wins he beat a primer fighter if Tito wins who cares its expected. It was a loose, loose situation for Tito but maybe Tito should watch what he asks for cause I think he thought Dana would chicken out but Dana called his bluff and looked like gold walking away from this.
lmao this is so true tito ortiz pretend to be out just like the first match he did such a phony fall down when chuck as unloading on him haah i knew chuck wasnt really catching him clean on purpose just so tito could quit i like chucks style.
tito ortiz cares more about money and fame then being a real brave fighter his only real brave fight was against frank shamrock and that was when he had no choice but to fight like that because if you won you got the prize now they pay you contract money win lose or draw.
Q: Did he give you a better match than you expected at UFC 66, taking you into the third round?
A: Not really. It's one of those things where I'll catch him sooner or later if he stays out there.
I wanted him to quit, too. I could've stayed on top of him in the first round. They asked him, 'do you want to stop it?' After the second time, he turned, so I went back up. In the third, when the ref told him, 'I'm going to stop it,' he decided not to move. I don't think he was out. He just decided, I'll let him stop this. Not as fun as knocking him out, but fun enough.
Tito cannot fight he only is good at wrestling and ground and pound chuck is right.
Chuck is the fukin man.
i wonder if chuck was wasted during that interview too (not meaning he's wrong, just saying like he was in that one interview)
Tito cannot fight he only is good at wrestling and ground and pound chuck is right. that counts as fighting
Tito cannot fight he only is good at wrestling and ground and pound chuck is right. Please, master, tell us all what "fighting" is. Thanks a lot, sarge!
Tito cannot fight he only is good at wrestling and ground and pound chuck is right. The fock... :confused:
Tito cannot fight he only is good at wrestling and ground and pound chuck is right.
Dumbest post I've read in a long time.....and that's saying something on these forums.
i will box dana white for free
Dumbest post I've read in a long time.....and that's saying something on these forums. The fock... :confused: Please, master, tell us all what "fighting" is. Thanks a lot, sarge! that counts as fighting stfu morons he meant his boxing or stand up. You can't say one thing around here without a bunch of turds quoting you and tryin to diss you.
Tito may be a puss for backing out of the thing with Dana, but nobody here can doubt that he's a legit badass. Regardless of how immature he acts outside the octagon, I doubt there's anybody here that could beat him. His list of victories speaks for itself.
Now, with that said, yes, Chuck owns a piece of Titos soul and I doubt Ortiz will ever be able to beat Chuck.
Kudos to chuck for calling Tito out once again. I used to like Tito. But he's turned out to be a real ass
I think Tito thought that his size and reputation would scare Dana, and that Dana would back out...
when Dana took it serious and went full-bore, Tito backed out like a b*tch. Laughable, but no matter what Tito says, most people recognize how p*ssified that really was backing out.
The Iceman fires back at Tito
by Mike Chiappetta
Source: NBCSports.com
Want to know what makes Chuck "The Iceman" Liddell's blood boil? Tito Ortiz. Just a few hours after the "Huntington Beach Bad Boy" sounded off on a proposed boxing match with UFC President Dana White that never happened, Liddell contacted NBCSports.com with his take on Ortiz's refusal to fight.
Even though the two have squared off in the octagon twice (with Liddell winning by KO both times), the UFC light-heavyweight champion couldn't resist going for a third and final knockout, this time in print.
Despite being in the midst of hard training for his UFC 71 main event title defense against Quinton "Rampage" Jackson on May 26, Liddell spoke about the most discussed boxing match that never happened, if he'd ever fight Ortiz again, and oh yeah, his match with Rampage.
Q: Chuck, you're obviously in an important part of your training camp and have other things to focus on. What makes you want to get involved in this situation?
A: Tito's whole take on this is killing me. It's hilarious. When he first pulled out, he said, 'I don't want to risk getting hurt, and that Dana was almost a pro boxer.' It sounds to me like he didn't want to look like a p----.
I thought the whole thing was silly to begin with. But my problem with what he said now is, why would he make those comments he made at first? It sounded like he was afraid to fight him. But he's been changing [what he said] ever since.
Listen, boxing is a different sport, and it's a sport he's definitely not real good at. That's not his thing. His thing is wrestling, ground-and-pound. He's not a boxer and he doesn't like getting hit. He's not real good at it.
Q: So you think he was basically scared to get in the ring with Dana?
A: It sounds like it. He was the one who put the fight in his contract. It was a perk in his deal. He says he didn't have a bout agreement? Why would you have a bout agreement? It's a perk. You're the one who asked for it! Where's mine? Let's spar three rounds. No one would give me a bout agreement. No way he'd go three rounds with me.
It's one of those things he added in to his deal. It's like he's always done with contracts. He's always gone back and changed them. He ends up wanting to make more money. Well, why did you originally ask for it? You were willing to do it. You wanted to do it, right? You signed the contract, didn't you? He asked for it. Dana didn't ask to fight him.
Q: To play devil's advocate, his contention is that it went from a boxing match with a ref to an entire TV production where people were making money, but he didn't have a say in where the money was going.
A: That's a point he could've made instead of just not showing up. He could've said it way before they started filming. He waited until they'd already done a bunch of interviews and tapings. They'd even done interviews with me about, and I said then I thought it was silly they were fighting in the first place. Then, after that, he decides he's not going to do it. It's his normal business model. He decides, 'I want more money now.' And I'm sure he was getting something. If it had gone that far, he was getting something. I think he wasn't getting enough. He wanted to change the deal. I don't know that for fact; I'm not privy to contract stuff with them, but the comments that he first made were probably more truthful than what he's saying now. And those comments were that he was worried about getting hurt, and mentioning that Dana was almost a pro boxer. It sounds to me like he was a p----.
Q: In some ways though, it doesn't make sense that he'd suddenly be afraid, because he obviously knew about Dana's boxing background as they've known each other for years.
A: He knew what he was getting into. He trained and sparred with Dana before back in the day. But there came a point where he might have realized, people are going to see us, and I might look bad. Maybe he remembered he's not great a boxer. A boxing match is a totally different thing than an MMA match.
Q: Dana's given his side of the story too, so what was it about what Tito said that angered you so much that you wanted to voice your opinion?
A: Not that I get angry, but the guy is frustrating. He'll run his mouth, he'll change what he says. He always runs his mouth off. He likes to say that I'm Dana's boy and that I'll do anything Dana wants. If you mean I fight anyone he asks me to fight? Yeah; I don't turn down opponents. That's true. I'll fight anyone, unlike yourself. He frustrates me. He doesn't make sense to me. It's obvious that since the beginning of this and his first explanation, he's talked to people about how to spin this in interviews.
Q: What do you think would have happened in the boxing match if it had occurred?
A: Like I said, I think the whole thing was silly. I think if Tito got clipped real hard, he would've covered up for the whole rest of the fight. He doesn't hit hard enough to hurt Dana. He might've gotten outboxed. He probably would have.
the whole article is here
http://mmapower.com/news.asp?dismode=article&artid=83
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nice, i agree with chuck 100%
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While I was mad that Tito didn't show I can understand why. Just like what was said on the show if Dana wins he beat a primer fighter if Tito wins who cares its expected. It was a loose, loose situation for Tito but maybe Tito should watch what he asks for cause I think he thought Dana would chicken out but Dana called his bluff and looked like gold walking away from this.
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lmao this is so true tito ortiz pretend to be out just like the first match he did such a phony fall down when chuck as unloading on him haah i knew chuck wasnt really catching him clean on purpose just so tito could quit i like chucks style.
tito ortiz cares more about money and fame then being a real brave fighter his only real brave fight was against frank shamrock and that was when he had no choice but to fight like that because if you won you got the prize now they pay you contract money win lose or draw.
Q: Did he give you a better match than you expected at UFC 66, taking you into the third round?
A: Not really. It's one of those things where I'll catch him sooner or later if he stays out there.
I wanted him to quit, too. I could've stayed on top of him in the first round. They asked him, 'do you want to stop it?' After the second time, he turned, so I went back up. In the third, when the ref told him, 'I'm going to stop it,' he decided not to move. I don't think he was out. He just decided, I'll let him stop this. Not as fun as knocking him out, but fun enough.
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Tito cannot fight he only is good at wrestling and ground and pound chuck is right.
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Chuck is the fukin man.
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i wonder if chuck was wasted during that interview too (not meaning he's wrong, just saying like he was in that one interview)
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Tito cannot fight he only is good at wrestling and ground and pound chuck is right. that counts as fighting
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Tito cannot fight he only is good at wrestling and ground and pound chuck is right. Please, master, tell us all what "fighting" is. Thanks a lot, sarge!
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Tito cannot fight he only is good at wrestling and ground and pound chuck is right. The fock... :confused:
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Tito cannot fight he only is good at wrestling and ground and pound chuck is right.
Dumbest post I've read in a long time.....and that's saying something on these forums.
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i will box dana white for free
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Dumbest post I've read in a long time.....and that's saying something on these forums. The fock... :confused: Please, master, tell us all what "fighting" is. Thanks a lot, sarge! that counts as fighting stfu morons he meant his boxing or stand up. You can't say one thing around here without a bunch of turds quoting you and tryin to diss you.
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Tito may be a puss for backing out of the thing with Dana, but nobody here can doubt that he's a legit badass. Regardless of how immature he acts outside the octagon, I doubt there's anybody here that could beat him. His list of victories speaks for itself.
Now, with that said, yes, Chuck owns a piece of Titos soul and I doubt Ortiz will ever be able to beat Chuck.
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Kudos to chuck for calling Tito out once again. I used to like Tito. But he's turned out to be a real ass
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I think Tito thought that his size and reputation would scare Dana, and that Dana would back out...
when Dana took it serious and went full-bore, Tito backed out like a b*tch. Laughable, but no matter what Tito says, most people recognize how p*ssified that really was backing out.