Question:
A HARDLINE approach to dole bludgers who refuse to take available jobs will require welfare recipients to supply unprecedented levels of information
each fortnight for Centrelink's scrutiny.
Someone posted in the comments after the article, that instead of the government depositing $ into peoples bank accounts, they should give them food stamps and cards to pay rent, clothing.ect. I do believe that is a good idea. I cant imagine the government just gives them the cash for being unenployed. At least with a card they can keep track of where people are spending their $.
Fortunately there are only a few people that are so entrenched in the Welfare system that they are almost unemployable. Would you hire someone who has never gotten up before mid afternoon, has never served a customer, worn appropriate clothing to work in an office, picked or packed the fruit and never never never had to be on the go all day and turn around and do it all over again the next day?.
These cronically unemployed need specialised training to get them into the work force in the first place, let alone to get them to want to work. Most of them are products of severly disfuntional, welfare dependent households to begin with without the proper structure of a work ethic and we think that just by demanding that they work that that is gonna work? Don't think so.
Now don't get me wrong, I believe that everyone should work, always worked and probably always will, but we are not dealing with so called normal people here.
I really could just go on and on about this subject but I'll will leave it at that and see what the reaction is.
Cheers
Debby
for some people that would work, the longer diary to keep track of stuff, but they would make my mother do that, heck she works 6 days a week sometimes 7 cleaning motels and that can be all day some days, not finishing til 4 5pm. Yet they expect her to find another job cause she doesnt earn enough to go off centrelink payments. She is run down and has lost so much weight cause she works too much, its just wrong when they pick on people like my mum. She will never be able to earn enough with her current employers but she loves working for them, she is on a very basic wage which sucks yet they hassle her all the time. Soooooo unfair.
Yet her brother who is quiet a few years older than mum is not working and they dont hassle him like they hassle her, he does the work for the dole scheme but thats it. He doesnt get hassled by centrelink of the job network agencies and when he gets paid, he pays his bills and then drinks his money away. My mum saves hers and she is going away in november for a weekend to see her sister but thats time off work with no pay, they have no holidays or sick days with pay where she works. Its just stupid they pick on the people that are doing the right thing.
Fortunately there are only a few people that are so entrenched in the Welfare system that they are almost unemployable. Would you hire someone who has never gotten up before mid afternoon, has never served a customer, worn appropriate clothing to work in an office, picked or packed the fruit and never never never had to be on the go all day and turn around and do it all over again the next day?.
These cronically unemployed need specialised training to get them into the work force in the first place, let alone to get them to want to work. Most of them are products of severly disfuntional, welfare dependent households to begin with without the proper structure of a work ethic and we think that just by demanding that they work that that is gonna work? Don't think so.
Now don't get me wrong, I believe that everyone should work, always worked and probably always will, but we are not dealing with so called normal people here.
I really could just go on and on about this subject but I'll will leave it at that and see what the reaction is.
Cheers
Debby
All that you say here reminds me of that family who were on one of those current affairs type programs several years ago - there was a big sympathy story about how they *really really tried* but just couldn't get jobs. After the program, they were offered a variety of really great jobs and they turned them down for pathetic reasons like I don't like the uniform, I only like purple I hear what you are saying Debby, that people from backgrounds like that need the extra support, but I also wonder what form that help would take place in, so that it actually works for them. A standard kind of training program would not work as it seems to me, they wouldn't be able to commit to even that IYKWIM.
the food stamps idea. I think that could be good in a way, shame them into wanting to earn realy money, but for some it could be degrading, for the ones who truly needed it.
The food stamp thing seems to work pretty well over here. And they do dole out the debit cards for the folks on welfare. That way, they know where the money from the gov't is going. I like it that way. I don't have any problem helping people who need it but so many people take advantage of the system. Its a shame, really.
It is hard to sort out the good from the bad, if it could be done then these problems wouldn't arise. Any system they come up with won't work, never has never will. They have in place now that if you refuse a job you loose money for a certain amount of weeks. Does it work ?NO
They have in place now that if you refuse a job you loose money for a certain amount of weeks. Does it work ?NO
I guess some people may even perform badly at interviews to guarantee they won't be offered a job to avoid losing their payment .
On the flip side, I have a family member who went through a really rough time personally and when he was ready to sort his life out, the work for the dole program gave him some work experience - it also gave him the confidence to start interviewing for other jobs, and now just a couple of years down the track he is doing really well in a job he (mostly!) enjoys, in the industry he always wanted to work in . so there are people who do use the system to get back on their feet - which is the way it should work.
Naomi I know of people who have done just that
each fortnight for Centrelink's scrutiny.
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Someone posted in the comments after the article, that instead of the government depositing $ into peoples bank accounts, they should give them food stamps and cards to pay rent, clothing.ect. I do believe that is a good idea. I cant imagine the government just gives them the cash for being unenployed. At least with a card they can keep track of where people are spending their $.
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Fortunately there are only a few people that are so entrenched in the Welfare system that they are almost unemployable. Would you hire someone who has never gotten up before mid afternoon, has never served a customer, worn appropriate clothing to work in an office, picked or packed the fruit and never never never had to be on the go all day and turn around and do it all over again the next day?.
These cronically unemployed need specialised training to get them into the work force in the first place, let alone to get them to want to work. Most of them are products of severly disfuntional, welfare dependent households to begin with without the proper structure of a work ethic and we think that just by demanding that they work that that is gonna work? Don't think so.
Now don't get me wrong, I believe that everyone should work, always worked and probably always will, but we are not dealing with so called normal people here.
I really could just go on and on about this subject but I'll will leave it at that and see what the reaction is.
Cheers
Debby
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for some people that would work, the longer diary to keep track of stuff, but they would make my mother do that, heck she works 6 days a week sometimes 7 cleaning motels and that can be all day some days, not finishing til 4 5pm. Yet they expect her to find another job cause she doesnt earn enough to go off centrelink payments. She is run down and has lost so much weight cause she works too much, its just wrong when they pick on people like my mum. She will never be able to earn enough with her current employers but she loves working for them, she is on a very basic wage which sucks yet they hassle her all the time. Soooooo unfair.
Yet her brother who is quiet a few years older than mum is not working and they dont hassle him like they hassle her, he does the work for the dole scheme but thats it. He doesnt get hassled by centrelink of the job network agencies and when he gets paid, he pays his bills and then drinks his money away. My mum saves hers and she is going away in november for a weekend to see her sister but thats time off work with no pay, they have no holidays or sick days with pay where she works. Its just stupid they pick on the people that are doing the right thing.
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Fortunately there are only a few people that are so entrenched in the Welfare system that they are almost unemployable. Would you hire someone who has never gotten up before mid afternoon, has never served a customer, worn appropriate clothing to work in an office, picked or packed the fruit and never never never had to be on the go all day and turn around and do it all over again the next day?.
These cronically unemployed need specialised training to get them into the work force in the first place, let alone to get them to want to work. Most of them are products of severly disfuntional, welfare dependent households to begin with without the proper structure of a work ethic and we think that just by demanding that they work that that is gonna work? Don't think so.
Now don't get me wrong, I believe that everyone should work, always worked and probably always will, but we are not dealing with so called normal people here.
I really could just go on and on about this subject but I'll will leave it at that and see what the reaction is.
Cheers
Debby
All that you say here reminds me of that family who were on one of those current affairs type programs several years ago - there was a big sympathy story about how they *really really tried* but just couldn't get jobs. After the program, they were offered a variety of really great jobs and they turned them down for pathetic reasons like I don't like the uniform, I only like purple I hear what you are saying Debby, that people from backgrounds like that need the extra support, but I also wonder what form that help would take place in, so that it actually works for them. A standard kind of training program would not work as it seems to me, they wouldn't be able to commit to even that IYKWIM.
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the food stamps idea. I think that could be good in a way, shame them into wanting to earn realy money, but for some it could be degrading, for the ones who truly needed it.
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The food stamp thing seems to work pretty well over here. And they do dole out the debit cards for the folks on welfare. That way, they know where the money from the gov't is going. I like it that way. I don't have any problem helping people who need it but so many people take advantage of the system. Its a shame, really.
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It is hard to sort out the good from the bad, if it could be done then these problems wouldn't arise. Any system they come up with won't work, never has never will. They have in place now that if you refuse a job you loose money for a certain amount of weeks. Does it work ?NO
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They have in place now that if you refuse a job you loose money for a certain amount of weeks. Does it work ?NO
I guess some people may even perform badly at interviews to guarantee they won't be offered a job to avoid losing their payment .
On the flip side, I have a family member who went through a really rough time personally and when he was ready to sort his life out, the work for the dole program gave him some work experience - it also gave him the confidence to start interviewing for other jobs, and now just a couple of years down the track he is doing really well in a job he (mostly!) enjoys, in the industry he always wanted to work in . so there are people who do use the system to get back on their feet - which is the way it should work.
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Naomi I know of people who have done just that