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Are sumo DL easier on you lower back than reg dl?
I have been having some lower back pain and just wanted to know if sumo style would be better. Thanks.
I have been having some lower back pain and just wanted to know if sumo style would be better. Thanks. yeah, but your still putting a shit load of weight on your back. If you have back problems, you probably shouldn't be deadlifting unless given the ok by a doctor or something.
2nded^^
yes, sumos let you pull more weight as well tempting you to go heavier which might be all it takes to do your spine in - stick with higher rep regulars for now i reckon.
yes, sumos let you pull more weight as well tempting you to go heavier which might be all it takes to do your spine in - stick with higher rep regulars for now i reckon. sumos dont allow everyone to pull more weight. my sumo deadlift is less than my conventional deadlift.
Do you have actual pain, or just soreness? Pain, get to a doctor. Soreness, rest up but keep doing things like you are, your lower back is probably weak and needs to get stronger. Conventionals will do that.
sumos dont allow everyone to pull more weight. my sumo deadlift is less than my conventional deadlift. new to me, i always pull more on sumos. Are you doing them right?
new to me, i always pull more on sumos. Are you doing them right? probabaly not lol.
nah, some people are better at sumo, some at conventional. im better at conventional.
probabaly not lol.
nah, some people are better at sumo, some at conventional. im better at conventional. LOL :d well theres less range to pull on the sumos i honest find them easier. Regulars i do all the time i like regulars better than sumos - yeah, stick with regulars mate.
Yes, sumo is easier on the lower back, but don't do deadlifts period if you have lower back problems.
Sumos are typically heavier on the legs and easier on the lower back than conventional. Guys with shorter limbs in comparison to their height usually do better with sumo. Whether you do better with them or not depends on your bodytpe. The world record in deadlift is held by a conventional deadlifter (bolton). Bennie isn't too far behind him and he also uses conventional.
Even though sumo has a shorter range of motion, a lot of people have crappy leverages with them. That's why the world record is done with a conventional style.
with a sumo stance, you can stand straight up with less lean. Like a low rack pull almost.
Does anyone here use semi-Sumo? Like Coan?
To me it looks like the best of both stances, am I missing something?
Med Sci Sports Exerc. 1991 Oct;23(10):1179-86.
Lumbar spine loads during the lifting of extremely heavy weights.
Cholewicki J, McGill SM, Norman RW.
Department of Kinesiology, University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada.
The reaction moments at the knee, hip, and L4/L5 joints, and the compressive and shearing forces on L4/L5 are documented in powerlifters competing in a national powerlifting championship. Analyses were made of 13 female and 44 male competitors. The joint moments and forces were estimated from a linked segment model (WATBAK) that incorporated functional low back extensor musculature with a moment arm of 6 cm and a line action that was oriented 5 degrees posteriorly to the L4/L5 compression axis. This oblique orientation of the extensor muscles reduced the anterior shearing load on the vertebral motion unit. Average compressive loads on L4/L5 were estimated up to 17,192 N while the highest average L4/L5 and hip moments were 988 and 1047 N.m, respectively. The sumo deadlift style resulted in a 10% reduction in the joint moment and 8% reduction in the load shear force at the L4/L5 level when compared with the conventional lifting style. Formulation of linear regression equations to predict the load lifted using reaction joint moments yielded substantial unexplained variability, though significant relationships were found. This analysis suggested that there is large variability in the pattern of loading joints among national class powerlifters.
PMID: 1758295 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
yes, sumos let you pull more weight as well tempting you to go heavier which might be all it takes to do your spine in - stick with higher rep regulars for now i reckon. If it was so why the biggest deadlifters pull conventional? (Bolton, Magnusson, Konstantinovs ,etc etc)
I had the same problem and switched to sumos, I still felt a pump in my lower back, but no pain. I look back though and think maybe I just had a weak lower back because now I can pull either way without it bothering me. So if I were you id just lighten the weight and see which style better suits you, but if the pain gets worse just get checked out with your doctor.
If it was so why the biggest deadlifters pull conventional? (Bolton, Magnusson, Konstantinovs ,etc etc) Those are big guys that conventional works for.
If you look at the lighter weight classes, many of the records are set sumo style.
I don't know why lots of smaller guys seem to do better with sumo when larger guys seem to do better with conventional, but it often seems to work out that way.
It *seems* as if sumo might relieve *some* stress from your lower back but I'm pretty sure it just stresses your hips and all that more.
I'm not sure though, this is just heresey.
I don't know why lots of smaller guys seem to do better with sumo when larger guys seem to do better with conventional, but it often seems to work out that way. Could it be to do with the larger guys have a bigger gut, so they can sit back more into the lift (be at a more mechanically advantaged position to pull) because their centre of gravity is forward a bit more? I dunno *shrugs shoulders*
I have been having some lower back pain and just wanted to know if sumo style would be better. Thanks.
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I have been having some lower back pain and just wanted to know if sumo style would be better. Thanks. yeah, but your still putting a shit load of weight on your back. If you have back problems, you probably shouldn't be deadlifting unless given the ok by a doctor or something.
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2nded^^
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yes, sumos let you pull more weight as well tempting you to go heavier which might be all it takes to do your spine in - stick with higher rep regulars for now i reckon.
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yes, sumos let you pull more weight as well tempting you to go heavier which might be all it takes to do your spine in - stick with higher rep regulars for now i reckon. sumos dont allow everyone to pull more weight. my sumo deadlift is less than my conventional deadlift.
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Do you have actual pain, or just soreness? Pain, get to a doctor. Soreness, rest up but keep doing things like you are, your lower back is probably weak and needs to get stronger. Conventionals will do that.
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sumos dont allow everyone to pull more weight. my sumo deadlift is less than my conventional deadlift. new to me, i always pull more on sumos. Are you doing them right?
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new to me, i always pull more on sumos. Are you doing them right? probabaly not lol.
nah, some people are better at sumo, some at conventional. im better at conventional.
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probabaly not lol.
nah, some people are better at sumo, some at conventional. im better at conventional. LOL :d well theres less range to pull on the sumos i honest find them easier. Regulars i do all the time i like regulars better than sumos - yeah, stick with regulars mate.
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Yes, sumo is easier on the lower back, but don't do deadlifts period if you have lower back problems.
Sumos are typically heavier on the legs and easier on the lower back than conventional. Guys with shorter limbs in comparison to their height usually do better with sumo. Whether you do better with them or not depends on your bodytpe. The world record in deadlift is held by a conventional deadlifter (bolton). Bennie isn't too far behind him and he also uses conventional.
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Even though sumo has a shorter range of motion, a lot of people have crappy leverages with them. That's why the world record is done with a conventional style.
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with a sumo stance, you can stand straight up with less lean. Like a low rack pull almost.
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Does anyone here use semi-Sumo? Like Coan?
To me it looks like the best of both stances, am I missing something?
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Med Sci Sports Exerc. 1991 Oct;23(10):1179-86.
Lumbar spine loads during the lifting of extremely heavy weights.
Cholewicki J, McGill SM, Norman RW.
Department of Kinesiology, University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada.
The reaction moments at the knee, hip, and L4/L5 joints, and the compressive and shearing forces on L4/L5 are documented in powerlifters competing in a national powerlifting championship. Analyses were made of 13 female and 44 male competitors. The joint moments and forces were estimated from a linked segment model (WATBAK) that incorporated functional low back extensor musculature with a moment arm of 6 cm and a line action that was oriented 5 degrees posteriorly to the L4/L5 compression axis. This oblique orientation of the extensor muscles reduced the anterior shearing load on the vertebral motion unit. Average compressive loads on L4/L5 were estimated up to 17,192 N while the highest average L4/L5 and hip moments were 988 and 1047 N.m, respectively. The sumo deadlift style resulted in a 10% reduction in the joint moment and 8% reduction in the load shear force at the L4/L5 level when compared with the conventional lifting style. Formulation of linear regression equations to predict the load lifted using reaction joint moments yielded substantial unexplained variability, though significant relationships were found. This analysis suggested that there is large variability in the pattern of loading joints among national class powerlifters.
PMID: 1758295 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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yes, sumos let you pull more weight as well tempting you to go heavier which might be all it takes to do your spine in - stick with higher rep regulars for now i reckon. If it was so why the biggest deadlifters pull conventional? (Bolton, Magnusson, Konstantinovs ,etc etc)
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I had the same problem and switched to sumos, I still felt a pump in my lower back, but no pain. I look back though and think maybe I just had a weak lower back because now I can pull either way without it bothering me. So if I were you id just lighten the weight and see which style better suits you, but if the pain gets worse just get checked out with your doctor.
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If it was so why the biggest deadlifters pull conventional? (Bolton, Magnusson, Konstantinovs ,etc etc) Those are big guys that conventional works for.
If you look at the lighter weight classes, many of the records are set sumo style.
I don't know why lots of smaller guys seem to do better with sumo when larger guys seem to do better with conventional, but it often seems to work out that way.
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It *seems* as if sumo might relieve *some* stress from your lower back but I'm pretty sure it just stresses your hips and all that more.
I'm not sure though, this is just heresey.
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I don't know why lots of smaller guys seem to do better with sumo when larger guys seem to do better with conventional, but it often seems to work out that way. Could it be to do with the larger guys have a bigger gut, so they can sit back more into the lift (be at a more mechanically advantaged position to pull) because their centre of gravity is forward a bit more? I dunno *shrugs shoulders*